Switched from AMD to Intel, still having problems

[nighty_]

i switched from a Ryzen 7 3700X, X570 Aorus Elite gaming Wifi rev 2 as i was having alot of BSOD, after i switched to a i9-11900K, Rog Strix Z590-e Gaming Wifi there was no more BSOD for like 2 days then finally i got hit with BSOD after BSOD, someone told me to take out 2 of the different Ram which i did, i saw less BSOD but it came back, then i did the same thing with the other ram it was a little bit better but this time my PC just freezes requiring me to hold down the power button till it restarts. And the reason i switched was because the x570s pcie slots werent giving any signal was just giving me 1 long beep and 2 short, but the 3080 ti booted fine in another build with 600w 80+ bronze psu, it also failed to give signal when i put a working 1050 ti. I also have fully reinstalled windows when I put the new motherboard in, and it froze on me with 1 stick of ram in, i also have tried disabling the XMP profile which didnt work at all. Event viewer shows Kernel-Power from me holding down the power button and reliability monitor shows the first time it froze saying hardware error twice



10/17 just shows that now, no more hardware errors same thing with the others. Now it just says "Windows was not properly shut down"
I dont get BSOD anymore but it just freezes when im installing new stuff or when it finishes booting into windows 10, it also happens when im loading up a game, and for the times it doesnt freeze when loading up a game I can play the game normally.

As of 10/24/22 im using 4x8 2400mhz GSkill Trident Z ram (ive gotten less freezes using this ram)

i9-11900K
EVGA RTX 3080 Ti FTW3
Rog Strix Z590-E gaming wifi
32GB RAM 3200MHZ 4x8 Corsair LPX and Vengeance pro (these are my main RAM)
2TB 970 EVO Plus Nvme
1 TB WD Blue SSD M.2
1 TB WD Blue 2.5 SSD (Not in use but its plugged in)
NZXT 850W 80+ Gold

[dizmo]

Have you done fresh installs of Windows? Completely wiping the drives?

[Bismut]

Have you tried another PSU on the computer? My guess is that the plug is somehow "broken" and not passing enough current through.

[nighty_]

13 hours ago, dizmo said:

Have you done fresh installs of Windows? Completely wiping the drives?

Yes I have

[nighty_]

12 hours ago, Bismut said:

Have you tried another PSU on the computer? My guess is that the plug is somehow "broken" and not passing enough current through.

I dont have another PSU that can support an i9 and a 3080 ti or would a 600w 80+ bronze be enough for basic stuff? And i dont know if this is helpful but I let the computer sit in BIOS and it never froze

[solado]

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1 long beep and 2 short

 

Did you reuse the original RAM or got new stuff ?

 

[nighty_]

1 hour ago, solado said:

 

Did you reuse the original RAM or got new stuff ?

 

Im using my cousins ram right now (Trident Z 4x8 2400MHZ). Her PC always ran fine with her RAM and has not had any issues with her PC. And my PC it still freezes, this morning it was freezing like crazy, froze while typing my password, froze while loading apps then finally it stopped freezing and i could get into the system, it has not froze yet

Edited October 25, 2022 by nighty_

[solado]

Just now, nighty_ said:

Im using my cousins ram right now (the Trident Z) and it still freezes, this morning it was freezing like crazy, froze while typing my password, froze while loading apps then finally it stopped freezing and i could get into the system, it has not froze yet

 

Are you using any original compontents from the original AMD build? SSD / HDD for example ?

[nighty_]

Just now, solado said:

 

Are you using any original compontents from the original AMD build? SSD / HDD for example ?

Yes the PSU, GPU, RAM and all 3 SSDs (2.5 SSD is not in use as I plugged it into the wrong SATA port) all of these came from the previous AMD build, the only new parts are the ROG Strix Z590-E Gaming Wifi and the i9

[solado]

2 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

Yes the PSU, GPU, RAM and all 3 SSDs (2.5 SSD is not in use as I plugged it into the wrong SATA port) all of these came from the previous AMD build, the only new parts are the ROG Strix Z590-E Gaming Wifi and the i9

My bet will be the RAM is faulty or one of the SSD's.

[nighty_]

Just now, solado said:

My bet will be the RAM is faulty or one of the SSD's.

My main drive is the SAMSUNG EVO, I had it tested from samsung they said it was working perfectly and my M.2 only stores games, my cousins RAM works fine for her, also I dont know if this is useful or not but whenever it freezes the RGB on the fans freeze up too and go full RPM or sometimes the RGB doesnt freeze but it still goes full RPM

[solado]

1 minute ago, nighty_ said:

My main drive is the SAMSUNG EVO, I had it tested from samsung they said it was working perfectly and my M.2 only stores games, my cousins RAM works fine for her, also I dont know if this is useful or not but whenever it freezes the RGB on the fans freeze up too and go full RPM or sometimes the RGB doesnt freeze but it still goes full RPM

Create a partition on the M.2 drive and install the OS on that as a test and unplug the Evo while you try.

[nighty_]

2 minutes ago, solado said:

Create a partition on the M.2 drive and install the OS on that as a test and unplug the Evo while you try.

How do I create a partition on the M.2? Also the M.2 used to be the Main drive before I got the EVO, it had the same exact symptoms 

[solado]

5 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

How do I create a partition on the M.2? Also the M.2 used to be the Main drive before I got the EVO, it had the same exact symptoms 

Ah, never mind in that case.

 

Another option would be to take the GPU out of the computer and run on the intergrated graphics and see if it BSOD. You wouldn't be able to game on it though, could also be the PSU.

 

Other than that I am out of ideas other than something is installed on windows as I see you have cheat engine making it unstable.

[nighty_]

Just now, solado said:

Ah, never mind in that case.

 

Another option would be to take the GPU out of the computer and run on the intergrated graphics and see if it BSOD. You wouldn't be able to game on it though, Other than that I am out of ideas other than something is installed on windows as I see you have cheat engine making it unstable.

Okay ill try that, though I havent gotten a BSOD since the first 2 days of installing the new parts which was around 3-4 weeks ago its only been freezing, the only cheat engines I know should be "Easy Anti Cheat" and "Riot Vanguard"
Should I also try using my cousins GTX 1050?

[IkeaGnome]

4 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

Okay ill try that, though I havent gotten a BSOD since the first 2 days of installing the new parts which was around 3-4 weeks ago its only been freezing, the only cheat engines I know should be "Easy Anti Cheat" and "Riot Vanguard"
Should I also try using my cousins GTX 1050?

Are you against making a Linux bootable?

Pop OS! is very Windows like and will run off a USB stick without installing onto your drives. What I would do here is download it to a USB, boot from that and see if it crashes. If it doesn't, install it to your drive and install a game that commonly crashes for you. Riot doesn't work on Linux, so you'll have to find a different game to try. If it still crashes, then it's hardware. If you can't get it to crash in Linux, it's either a Windows specific issue or an issue related to your installs. If you happen to have OW2, or a Blizzard account, that will work on Linux. Most of your single player games will also work. 

https://pop.system76.com

[nighty_]

1 minute ago, IkeaGnome said:

Are you against making a Linux bootable?

Pop OS! is very Windows like and will run off a USB stick without installing onto your drives. What I would do here is download it to a USB, boot from that and see if it crashes. If it doesn't, install it to your drive and install a game that commonly crashes for you. Riot doesn't work on Linux, so you'll have to find a different game to try. If it still crashes, then it's hardware. If you can't get it to crash in Linux, it's either a Windows specific issue or an issue related to your installs. If you happen to have OW2, or a Blizzard account, that will work on Linux. Most of your single player games will also work. 

https://pop.system76.com

I can also try that yeah, how do I move OW2 to the Linux USB?

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, nighty_ said:

I can also try that yeah, how do I move OW2 to the Linux USB?

I wouldn't worry about that right away. 

Are you able to get Windows to lock up with just Youtube or something browser based? If you are, try that first. Then we look at putting bigger loads on the computer.

If you start looking at installing a game, you would want to install Pop on it's own partition on one of your drives. Then you'd install the game through Linux and not Windows. 

[nighty_]

5 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

I wouldn't worry about that right away. 

Are you able to get Windows to lock up with just Youtube or something browser based? If you are, try that first. Then we look at putting bigger loads on the computer.

If you start looking at installing a game, you would want to install Pop on it's own partition on one of your drives. Then you'd install the game through Linux and not Windows. 

Yeah windows locks up when opening some apps on startup or when im typing my password to login

[IkeaGnome]

9 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

Yeah windows locks up when opening some apps on startup or when im typing my password to login

So then I'd just run off the USB and do basic stuff for a little while to see if it'll lock up or not. The power supply seems to be a good unit. Don't know which model you have, but all the gold units are tier a on this list. I wouldn't suspect it first. 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

What I didn't see asked about your hardware configuration is how many cables go from the graphics card to the power supply? EVGA has 3 8 pin connectors. Ideally, all 3 would be their own cable back to the power supply and no pigtails. 1 set of pigtails, so 2 cables going back to the power supply shouldn't cause issues unless that power supply is very sensitive. If you have 2, but have a 3rd cable that goes to that power supply, and not one for your Bronze unit, I'd try running that as well. 

[nighty_]

6 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

So then I'd just run off the USB and do basic stuff for a little while to see if it'll lock up or not. The power supply seems to be a good unit. Don't know which model you have, but all the gold units are tier a on this list. I wouldn't suspect it first. 

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

What I didn't see asked about your hardware configuration is how many cables go from the graphics card to the power supply? EVGA has 3 8 pin connectors. Ideally, all 3 would be their own cable back to the power supply and no pigtails. 1 set of pigtails, so 2 cables going back to the power supply shouldn't cause issues unless that power supply is very sensitive. If you have 2, but have a 3rd cable that goes to that power supply, and not one for your Bronze unit, I'd try running that as well. 

Okay, I have 3 separate VGA cables from the PSU to the GPU, all 3 have pigtails that arent being used. 

Dont know if this will be helpful but it just happened again while opening a game.
The model is an NZXT C850 850W 80+ Gold Fully modular 

 

[IkeaGnome]

10 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

Okay, I have 3 separate VGA cables from the PSU to the GPU, all 3 have pigtails that arent being used. 

Dont know if this will be helpful but it just happened again while opening a game

 

It does. Your gpu usage spikes, like the game is wanting to load then just locks up. When you reinstalled windows, did you format all your drives?

You could start with using DDU in safe mode and manually installing an older set of drivers.

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

DDU in safe mode with no networking will remove all of what's left of your drivers. Your computer will revert to the basic display drivers and you can install an older set to see if it still happens.

 

Edit: HWinfo64 can also give us some hints.

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

Start that in sensors only mode and it'll show way more than we need. When it locks up, expand the CPU, motherboard, graphics card and ram sections, grab a screenshot and post in a spoiler here. 

 

Edit the edit: More ideas. 

Windows+Ctrl+Shift+B keys at once will restart your graphics driver. Does it stay locked up if you do this? I would try this before DDU.

[nighty_]

19 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

It does. Your gpu usage spikes, like the game is wanting to load then just locks up. When you reinstalled windows, did you format all your drives?

You could start with using DDU in safe mode and manually installing an older set of drivers.

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

DDU in safe mode with no networking will remove all of what's left of your drivers. Your computer will revert to the basic display drivers and you can install an older set to see if it still happens.

 

Edit: HWinfo64 can also give us some hints.

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

Start that in sensors only mode and it'll show way more than we need. When it locks up, expand the CPU, motherboard, graphics card and ram sections, grab a screenshot and post in a spoiler here. 

 

Edit the edit: More ideas. 

Windows+Ctrl+Shift+B keys at once will restart your graphics driver. Does it stay locked up if you do this? I would try this before DDU.

Windows+Ctrl+Shift+B does nothing, it still stays locked up and I have formatted all my drives when I reinstalled windows.
I just did the DDU in safe mode, it looks fine for now
I will only be able to screenshot the CPU section, when it locks up I wont have any control over the mouse so I'll screenshot the CPU section then after freeze ill get the other sections
when I installed the HWinfo64 I got a warning saying this (Screenshot)

[IkeaGnome]

1 minute ago, nighty_ said:

I will only be able to screenshot the CPU section, when it locks up I wont have any control over the mouse so I'll screenshot the CPU section then after freeze ill get the other sections

Start with the GPU section then. I'm thinking this is more related to your card.

 

3 minutes ago, nighty_ said:

when I installed the HWinfo64 I got a warning saying this (Screenshot)

I would just ignore it for now.

[nighty_]

8 minutes ago, IkeaGnome said:

Start with the GPU section then. I'm thinking this is more related to your card.

 

I would just ignore it for now.

Okay, also in task manager the GPU reports at being 0%-15% but the temperature rises while gaming, is this normal for it to report at being 0%-15% Usage